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Award Winning Actress Rosie Cavaliero on Art, Life and the Nature of Confidence & Resilience in the World of Acting - LIVE from The Theatre Royal Bath

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Rosie Cavaliero recorded LIVE at Bath Theatre Royal Ustinov Studio with simultaneous live-streaming to YouTube & FaceBook complete with audience Q&A!

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Award Winning Actress Rosie Cavaliero was born in Brazil. She can trace her surname to her father’s ancestry in northern Italy.  Her father converted from Sephardic Judaism to Roman Catholicism. He was fascinated by butterflies and rose to the top of the British Council as Deputy Director General. His job meant that he and his family moved around quite a lot, taking Rosie to both Rome and India in her childhood before they all settled in that epicentre of Englishness: Tunbridge Wells!

While both of her parents have now passed away, they left Rosie and her siblings with a rich legacy of culture - covering music, the arts and books. To this day, Rosie is always happy in a bookshop - unless she is walking a coastal path in Pembrokeshire! Meanwhile she is an award-winning actress, her brother is an Art Therapist and her niece Anna is an Opera singer. 

Rosie herself went to Manchester University before going onto a somewhat bizarre-sounding Drama School, with ‘beautiful girls with corkscrew curls’, that nevertheless helped her secure career-enhancing roles in hit series like Alan Partridge and French & Saunders. 

At the same time that this live encounter was being recorded in the Ustinov Studio and streamed on Facebook and YouTube, Rosie’s latest series ‘The Power of Parker’ was just starting on BBC1!

Like most successful actors, Rosie has had to deal with her fair share of rejection. But that doesn’t mean it’s now like water off a duck’s back. All artists are sensitive souls and it doesn’t get any easier in your 50s. In some ways, it may even get worse. That’s why Rosie really appreciates the good work she regularly gets to do on TV and on Radio. These days the gig economy does not make any other career opportunities that much more secure than the acting profession - whatever Dame Peggy Ashcroft may have had to say about it.

Rosie may now be able to cry like a baby but her only real ambition is to be a good mate to her friends and her partner - someone they can talk to without fearing they’re walking on eggshells. Shakespeare could not have put it better!

Acting is a challenging profession, and Rosie shares candid insights into the less-glamorous aspects, including sensitive topics like handling rejection and criticism. As we delve into the importance of resilience and self-confidence in an unpredictable industry, Rosie also reveals her thoughts on her children pursuing careers in the arts and shares 
encouraging words for aspiring actors. This

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Speaker 1:

Hello, this is Chris Grimes, host of the Good Listening to Show Stories of Distinction and Genius. Quick announcement before we get on the open road of today's show. Today is one of the live theatre show versions of the Good Listening to Show. The Good Listening to Show is available as a corporate festival or theatre show with a difference. This was recorded at the Bath Theatre Royal Eustonoff Studio at the end of July, where I recorded two shows which were simultaneously streamed to Facebook and YouTube, complete with audience Q&A. I interviewed Rosie Cavalliero, award-winning actress, and also Neil Malarkey from the Comedy Store Players, who was talking about his new book in the moment, as I say, live in front of an audience with Q&A and simultaneously streamed to Facebook and YouTube. If you're a company events manager or HR director, a fundraiser, a venue owner or a festival organiser, then this is a corporate festival and theatre show with a difference. You can tell the story behind the story of being. You have it streamed to Facebook and YouTube, maybe talk about what you do in front of your clients as your select or chosen audience and, as I say, it's also simultaneously streamed. To have a look at the various series strands at wwwthegoodlisteningtoshowcom, and corporate festival and theatre shows are just one of five different ways in which you too can get involved and be my guest.

Speaker 1:

Enjoy today's show, rosie Cavalliero, live from the Bath Theatre Royal, eustonoff Studio, enjoy, and where all my guests have two things in common they're all creative individuals and all with an interesting story to tell. There are some lovely storytelling metaphors a clearing a tree, a juicy storytelling exercise called 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, some alchemy, some gold, a cheeky bit of Shakespeare and a cake. So it's all to play for. So, yes, welcome to the Good Listening To Show your life and times with me. Chris Grimes, are you sitting comfortably here? Then we shall begin.

Speaker 1:

So marvellous, marvellous, marvellous. Thank you so much. So welcome, welcome, welcome, thrice and Quadruple welcome. This is the second of two shows on the trot, if you'll pardon that particular expression, here at the Bath Theatre Royal, eustonoff Studio. And welcome on Facebook and YouTube. Youtube and Facebook, whichever one is coming through that portal. There are several sheep and a stout at home enjoying this as we join by thousands of people here at the Bath Theatre Royal. So just to remind us all, this is the show in which I invite movers, makers, shakers, mavericks, influencers and also personal heroes into an energetic space called the Clearing, from where the rest of the story scape unpacks and that my guests come along to tell their stories of distinction and ingenious. And she is ingenious and, ladies and gentlemen, if I could ask you to give a really warm hand on my wonderful guest this evening, award-winning actress Rosie Cavaliero.

Speaker 2:

Welcome, welcome, welcome, marvellous.

Speaker 1:

And you are defying the laws of physics by being here, because, whilst you're talking to me, you've also gone live this very evening on BBC One with your new series, which is the Power of Parker. Please, yes, yes, you're very welcome, rosie, and I've even I've charged your water glass.

Speaker 3:

Thank you, you're all good to go. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1:

So how's morale? When I first spoke to you last week, you said your son had gone on a school trip to Morocco.

Speaker 3:

Yes, he went on a school trip to Morocco and had no mobile phone or any device for eight days, had a complete detox. He's 14, and he came back and went. It was great. I loved it. Yeah, we chatted, we played cut, and then he got on his phone now and of course, it was back on it immediately. It's like crack, isn't it?

Speaker 3:

But, yeah, he had a great time. He had a great time. I was a bit worried because I started watching that show hijack when he was on the plane. I thought that wasn't a good idea. But yeah, he had a great time.

Speaker 1:

It must be quite a nice school because obviously most school trips are like go apien swindon or something. Yeah, whereas you've gone to Morocco.

Speaker 3:

It's a world challenge and they go into schools. He's just at the caution school, which is just a. You know, it's not a private school or anything.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

But yeah, they come in and do these trips and that's fantastic, very good, and so he tuned into the detox like it had and he's gone straight back into the vortex now. Yeah, back into the vortex, yeah.

Speaker 1:

I thoroughly enjoyed researching you. By the way, I know you know who you are, but you are Rosalind Cecilia Cavaliero. What a name.

Speaker 3:

I know.

Speaker 1:

You were born in Brazil. You lived in Rome for a time. Now you're in Corsham.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, so a bit like go apien swindon. It's still a lovely place to live, obviously, and I'm sure go apien is lovely too.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but I'm gathering it's because we share something in common. My father also worked for the British Council, oh, like why did you save that, to tell me now. Well, I only found it out earlier on today, but that's why you moved to all those places. Where was your father? Well, it's not about me, this is your no, but.

Speaker 3:

I love a British Council.

Speaker 1:

Well, my dad was a teacher for the British Council and went to live in Uganda with all of us, and between my being two and a half and ten I lived in Uganda. How amazing and a very surreal thing was I was best friends in Uganda with Adrian Edmondson's two younger brothers. Oh my goodness. So it's a small world that wouldn't want to hoove it.

Speaker 3:

Extraordinary His father wasn't British Council.

Speaker 1:

His dad is called Fred Edmondson.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 4:

I'm just going to name it. I know Adrian Edmondson's father.

Speaker 1:

Fred Edmondson. Fred and Dorothy Edmondson oh right, and it was Matt and Alistair. Just to prove that I'm making this stuff up.

Speaker 3:

Oh wow, how brilliant in Uganda. How amazing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so I left when I was ten, after idiom in Over Through Milton the Boatay. Oh wow, I'm aging myself.

Speaker 3:

Historical. And where did you end up after? Where did you go after?

Speaker 1:

that we went back to.

Speaker 3:

I like to do this. No, no, you're very good.

Speaker 1:

I like it. We went back to Middlesbrough. I was born in Saltburn, near Redcar.

Speaker 3:

Oh, so you went back there Because I was born in Brazil and we lived in Rome, and previously to that my parents lived in India and we lived in Tumbridge Wales. So I always have to go. I'm from. I'm from Tumbridge Wales, but I was born in Brazil.

Speaker 1:

Tumbridge is a bit like the Raj, isn't it?

Speaker 3:

Yes, it is, yes, exactly, it's very colonial.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so you've moved around. That's why you're in Rome, I'm assuming. And what was your dad doing?

Speaker 3:

So my dad was a British council child. He worked for the British Council, basically, and he lived in lots of different countries. He was the rep and he ended up actually being the assistant no no, the deputy director general of the British Council. So he did really well, and it was a really interesting job. And my partner's best friend worked for the British Council too. It's called Alan.

Speaker 4:

Oh, alan right.

Speaker 3:

Alan Smart, but yeah, he's had such an interesting career too.

Speaker 1:

He's a great social worker around the world and, by the way, another connection that immediately made me like you even more is you share the same birthday as my daughter, lily, who's in the audience today 27th November Sanjeteria, sanjeteria. Yes, so I liked you even more for that too. And also your first role. I know you know this and maybe you'll tell it. You'll get on the other side, but I'm proving I've done something such here. Your first role was age six in Hansel and Gretel.

Speaker 3:

Yes, I played the mother, and I had two. I always played old ladies. When I was young, I only ever played old ladies. When I was at drama school, I only played old ladies. I was like can I play an age-appropriate role, please? We've got agents in. No, you're going to play Mrs Bennett in Pride and Pride, and I was the mother in Hansel and Gretel. Yes, so I never got the leading roles, but always a supporting role.

Speaker 1:

And you've grown up with a very healthy obsession, lifelong with the sound of music. Please, yes, yes, I am obsessed with the sound of music and you're often seen in a nun's outfit.

Speaker 3:

No, I once went to a live one of those sing-alongs dressed as a nun.

Speaker 1:

Not Rocky Horror, but Sound of Music.

Speaker 3:

No, it was a friend's birthday and we all went and sang-alonged Excellent. Yeah, it's quite strange night.

Speaker 1:

Wonderful Talking of strange nights here we are. And you're very, very welcome to the Clearing. Thank you, and we'll get on the open road soon. And you were actually passed a golden baton to me by Julia Davis actually.

Speaker 3:

Yes, the brilliant Julia Davis, it was.

Speaker 1:

Hunderby's.

Speaker 3:

Hunderby, I did Hunderby.

Speaker 1:

Hunderby, yes, yeah she's a genius.

Speaker 3:

Did any of you know her work? She had Nighty Night Hunderby. She did things called Sally Forever she did. It was a human, remains Lots of stuff. Yeah, she's absolutely brilliant. Yeah. So Julia rang me up and said my great friend Chris. I've known him for years, he's wonderful, he's brilliant, he's doing this podcast. Will you do it? And I went, yeah, this was about six months ago. I went, yeah, that'll be fine. And then, as it's got near and near to the date, I've got more and more scared.

Speaker 1:

Thank you for saying yes immediately, because there was.

Speaker 3:

I mean, Well, Julia's got very good taste.

Speaker 1:

Wonderful, you come highly recommended from her to me. She raves about you in a really good way. So do you want to just talk about the Power of Parker which is happening tonight?

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, so it's for BBC One. It's a comedy. It's called the Power of Parker and it's written by Sean Gibson and Paul Coleman, who wrote Car Share, and it's very funny. It's set in Stockport, it's set in 1990. So it's like back to that era. So there's loads of 80s music, great costumes and it's a really, really great role for me. Just wanted, it's just a really juicy, funny, brilliant role. I just love playing it, you know, and nice to have a sort of lead role, you know, for a change. It's sort of a three-hander.

Speaker 1:

from what I, it's a three-hander. It's a brilliant cast.

Speaker 3:

There's sort of a connoiter I don't know if you know connoiter brilliant actor. He plays Martin Parker, I play his wife, sean plays his lover and there's brilliant people like George Costigan in it and Steve Pemberton and Sheila Reid and Judith Barker Loads of brilliant, brilliant actors. So it was a real dream. I hope you it's all on iPlayer now if you fancy binging it at some point or watching it. It is very funny, it's very northern and it's quite nostalgic and it's warm-hearted and it's great characters.

Speaker 3:

And it's pre-digital set-and-stop port, so it's the time when no one had phones or the internet. So it's about a guy leading a double life and how people could do it more easily then because we didn't have all this technology to make us.

Speaker 1:

It's a nightmare running a second family.

Speaker 3:

It really is and there's so many you hear all these stories of people doing it, yes, extraordinarily Extraordinary.

Speaker 1:

I know, even nowadays yeah. Cool, so by the way, you were also on the One Show this very Tuesday and I got excited.

Speaker 3:

I was very nervous and I was sort of babbling and yeah it was, I didn't feel it went that well. But anyway, I'm going to go by Neil Malarkey and just go, it doesn't matter Moving on. He was the previous guest this evening, just to give context. Oh, sorry if you didn't see If these get broadcast at different times. Yes, of course.

Speaker 1:

We're doing two on the trod. We've saved the best till last, if I may say so, thank you. So it's my great joy, delight and pleasure to curate you through the journey of the Good Listening Two Show. So it's all your best favourite lovely storytelling metaphors Clearing Tree 5.4.3.1. Alchemy, gold couple of random squirrels, a cheeky bit of Shakespeare, a golden baton and a cake.

Speaker 3:

I'll get you a bun little hat. Sorry, you don't have to clap.

Speaker 1:

That's just me. If you are remember to do it again, that's great. So we'll start off with the road then, and there'll be a deliberate invitation to find out where we can find it all about you later on, and I know that you're quite shy on the old interwears, so that's a good thing. So where is what? Is a clearing for Rosie or Rosalind Cecilia Cavaliero?

Speaker 3:

Well, I really love Pembrokeshire. I don't know if any of you know it. It's just such a beautiful place. We started going there in the last few years and I just love coastal walking. You know the coastal path and I just think Pembrokeshire is just endlessly beautiful. I love going there and I'm hopefully going to go there in a few weeks, so that's my place and I think I just love a coastal path because you can walk one way and have one view and walk back and have another view.

Speaker 1:

You don't have to do a big circular.

Speaker 3:

Like stairs. They go up and down as well. But what's so lovely is I just think you know I was thinking about what Neil was saying earlier about walking. What was the thing he used about going for a walk?

Speaker 1:

Everything feels better.

Speaker 3:

And I do think you know, just putting one foot in front of another. If you're feeling a bit down, a bit angsty, it does really help, so that's, mine.

Speaker 1:

So is there. Ais it on the cliff of the Pembrokeshire Walk.

Speaker 3:

Just any part. The way we like to go is that sort of bit between St David's and sort of Fishguard, that kind of mothry and places like that. But I mean, any of all of it is beautiful.

Speaker 1:

And I love how you say it's where we go.

Speaker 3:

So you're happy places with the. Yeah, with my family, yeah.

Speaker 1:

And how big is the squad when you're all together, is it?

Speaker 3:

four or three. There's me, my son and Rob, and Rob also has a son, charlie, who's 25. So he has come, but he's off living his own life now, so he doesn't come away with us so much.

Speaker 1:

So, if I may, I'm going to inter what Not interfere. I mean interrupt, sorry, if I'm trying to say and interfere by being a bit too loud. I'm going to arrive with a tree existentially to shake your tree to see which storytelling apples fall out. Do you want to hold an apple?

Speaker 3:

Oh, yes, please yes please.

Speaker 4:

And. I said to Neil Mulanke don't, yeah, don't use it. Oh, it's light. Yeah, yeah, I like it. Yes, it's quite a sleeping beauty yes.

Speaker 1:

So we're going to now do the five, four, three, two, one. So you've had five minutes to have thought about four things that have shaped you, three things that inspire you, two things that never fail to grab your attention or squirrel, and then the quirky or unusual fact about you, rosie, that we couldn't know until you tell us. So over to you to interpret the shaking of your canopy as you see fit.

Speaker 3:

Right. So well, I'd say, obviously I'm going to start with family, my parents. You know my dad. I've already talked about British Council and I grew up in a big family. They were five of us, so I would say they shaped me. I thought my parents definitely Both my parents were very clever. You know they both came from immigrant stock.

Speaker 1:

You were born in Brazil, born in Brazil, but that's because my dad's job sent him there Right, sure, sure.

Speaker 3:

But he wasthey. Both sort of Mum's side were Irish but grew up in Lancashire. My dad was English but sort of his great-grandfather had come over as a French-speaking Algerian.

Speaker 4:

Right.

Speaker 3:

In the 1880s and settled in East London, and he was actually Jewish but didn't tell anyone that he was Jewish. I don't think we only really found out relatively recently, anyway. So, and then he met someone and had five sons and they all grew up to be very English and they all fought in World War I and survived, which is incredible.

Speaker 1:

Did they make your family swim back to a previous faith when you found that out, or no faith? Maybe you're human.

Speaker 3:

Well, not really. No, they were all quite sort of CVE. My dad became a Catholic because my mother was a very strict Catholic. Yeah, and my father became a Catholic. He did become a Catholic before they met, but I think he became a Catholic because apparently the pretty girls were at the Catholic chaplaincy at Oxford because they met at Oxford University and that's where they met. So my mum was doing PPE, my dad was doing history and yeah, and so they were very interested in culture.

Speaker 1:

My parents, you see, your mum was doing PPE.

Speaker 3:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Is that stuff for the pandemic? She's the head of the game.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, philosophy, politics and economics Of course. And then she was an economics teacher and a politics teacher later on. So they growing up with them was very, you know. They were really interested in music and art and books and everything, and so I grew up in a very sort of cultured house.

Speaker 1:

Yes, have your brothers and sisters gone into?

Speaker 3:

success or not? Yeah well, my brother's really into the arts, but he doesn't work in the arts. My sister is an artist, but she's also an art therapist, and my other sister is a curator, and then my other sister worked for a charity for a long time and then she worked for a hospital. So she's they're all very, you know, we're all very interested in it.

Speaker 1:

You were talking about your mum and dad in the past tense. Are they still with us?

Speaker 3:

No, they died? Yeah, they did. My dad died. My mum died 15 years ago and my dad died five years ago. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Okay, so we're into the next thing that shaped you, or any other depth you want to go into. No, no, just that.

Speaker 3:

That was oh and then what I was going to say. What I was going to say I was resulting from that was that. So obviously I think living the next thing is that living abroad as a child, I think, definitely shaped me. So obviously I can't really remember Brazil, but because I was only about two when we left, but we then had the posting in Rome, which was wonderful. I was about eight when I went there and that was just. I went to school in Rome, not an Italian school, an international school, but it really just changed my life and that's when I started getting into, you know, theater and plays and operas and stuff, because dad's work, we'd always be having actors coming over and shows coming over that he'd be hosting and musicians and poets and Commando de la Tate being the Italian, yeah, you know people coming to the flat where we were.

Speaker 3:

I mean, it was just full of artists coming in and out.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

So that was fascinating and we went to a. I remember we went to this opera festival it was called the Bargar opera festival and we the woman said, well, you can camp in the garden, then you can come to all the shows. So we pitched the tent up in the garden of her house and we went to see all the brilliant operas. And that's when I got obsessed with observing the singers, but as themselves, not as when they were on stage. I was just totally intoxicated by the romance of them.

Speaker 3:

And they said you can come and watch the dress rehearsals, and I used to sit in their theatre and watch them doing the dress rehearsals and I just used to love seeing them coming in and out of character and stopping. And I was just I was totally hooked.

Speaker 1:

And you sing as well.

Speaker 3:

I do sing, but not operatically, but my niece is an opera singer. Anna Cavalliero. She's a fantastic opera singer and she's doing incredibly well at the moment. She's touring and doing all sorts of stuff and she I think definitely you know my she had a massive experience.

Speaker 1:

Your surname does sound really either Brazilian or Italian. Yeah, it's great.

Speaker 3:

It's a great opera, singer name.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, it is Absolutely, but you've said your parents were English and Irish, so I wonder how you ended up with Cavalliero Well by the Algerian.

Speaker 3:

French-speaking Algerian. We think that his family went goes right back to originally sort of northern Italy, the Sephardic Jews that were sort of northern Italy, and then I think a lot of the families went down through Italy and then were in Greece and then Algeria. So I don't know the full details.

Speaker 1:

Very exotic. Do you have a dual citizenship? Are you a facility of passport?

Speaker 3:

I think I could have one because I'm born in Brazil, but I don't, I don't really feel a need. You could because you can, but you don't need to. Yeah, exactly, yeah, sure.

Speaker 1:

So three things that have either something else in the shaping, the shaping was.

Speaker 3:

I was going to say a telly, because I love telly and always love to telly and as a child it kind of ruled my life and it kind of still does. But yeah, I absolutely love to telly and that informed me.

Speaker 1:

By the way, the TV roles you have done are very, very forceful indeed. They're loads of sort of bangers of telly. As French and Saunders. You've worked with, obviously, alan Partridge in Mid-Morning Matters, catherine Tate Show and little Dorit Jane Eyre so loving it. It's pulled you towards it and you're very successful within it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I feel very lucky. I mean it's not always been easy, I mean it took me a while to get going, but you know, I mean it's always a struggle, never. It's never easy. There's always rejection around the corner, but I have been really really lucky with some of the jobs I've had.

Speaker 1:

By the way, in researching you, one of the parts that I know you did fantastically well, which made complete sense to me because of who you reminded me of, was playing the nurse in Romeo and Juliet.

Speaker 3:

Oh, on the radio.

Speaker 1:

But I just think of you as being a sort of natural successor to Pat Hayward, who played the nurse in the Franco-Zephyralli film which got me through my deep my own level back in the day. That's a brilliant film. And then did you see?

Speaker 3:

that Olivia Hussie and Robert Whiting have now come forward and said that they had an awful time on that film.

Speaker 1:

Oh I didn't do that.

Speaker 3:

Yes, yeah, and they said that Zephyralli was horrible to them. Did you read that I know? And I thought oh, because it looks like he shattered my.

Speaker 1:

I bumped into John McHenry who played McCuscio in a juice bar in Cotterham in Bristol.

Speaker 3:

As you do, as you do.

Speaker 1:

And I remember sitting next to him and I go oh hello, you got me through my own level. It was a wonderful conversation. In fact, I thought of interviewing him, but then, tragically, he died about three years ago.

Speaker 3:

Oh, what a shame. That was a great film, fantastic.

Speaker 1:

Anyway, that was just a part that I thought would really suit you as in, I'd cast you as the nurse.

Speaker 3:

I don't know if I'd want to. I did enjoy doing it on the radio. But I don't know if I think I find Shakespeare a bit frightening and also Some of the female roles in Shakespeare as you get older aren't that great. They're great when you're young, but we are. But now, of course, women are playing men, men are playing women, but I I don't know if I'd want to do the nurse. I don't know, it's just a bit of a, it's always a little. It's just a bit of a Bafoon character, isn't it really?

Speaker 1:

She doesn't really have I remember learning the words that I haven't thought of for a while. But Gary, less and laquacious, yeah, because of Matthew in study notes.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But anyway, that's me going down my own rabbit.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so this is to get. Is that have any?

Speaker 2:

right, yes, yes, that was my fault.

Speaker 1:

Yes, cash in number four, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

So three things that inspire you now well, I'm gonna say writers, because obviously without writers I can't do my job and you know they, they constantly inspire me and I was very lucky. When I was, I went to a quite an odd drama school it was now closed called the Weber Douglas Academy of dramatic art, and I went there after I'd been to Manchester University and done a Drama degree and Manchester was, you know, it was quite political and we were always kind of, we were doing a lot of devising and improvising and that was Toby Jones land.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I was the.

Speaker 3:

Ivalo Toby. Yeah, and you know read so many plays and really sort of studied. So I read so many plays and I really sort of Learned about drama and then went to this, the Weber Douglas Academy of dramatic.

Speaker 1:

I like the way you say I was a central school. Well, I teach a degree Central School of Screeching Trauma and yeah, trauma, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3:

and Weber Douglas was trauma. Yeah, yeah, I just did a postgraduate year, very odd, because I suddenly came from Manchester, where it was all quite you know, and then suddenly turned up at this. It was like a Swiss finishing school, it was just you came from and I was on the waiting list as well, so I was really new roster. I thought, well, I'm on the waiting list, I'm probably not very good, but anyway someone's dropped out.

Speaker 3:

and I got there and I thought it's not good, and then lots of very sort of beautiful girls with sort of corkscrew curls, you know, and and then I've been. Consequently I played all the old lady parts when I got.

Speaker 1:

You're born to play that.

Speaker 3:

Exactly. And then you know it was all like walk with a straight back, you know, and go like this Before you speak to center yourself, and it was. It was all like get rid of your accent and it was all trying to sort of just make you really like a blank canvas.

Speaker 3:

I just thought, no, we'll start your belt against that. But that was kind of what they. That was the style then. Yes, you know, you make yourself, you, everyone, look the same, everyone talk to say, lose weight. You know, I had to go and see the principal and he would say things like doing well, you know, you just need to shed a few pounds and you know, and I came out and then I remember it was a girl outside the office have you had the weight chat?

Speaker 3:

I said, yeah, sure, oh, join the club. He does it to everyone. So, um, yeah, it was, it was all. But then while I was there, I made great friends and then one of my great, great friends she's called Charlotte Jones. She's a writer, she was an actress but then sensibly decided it was not for her. Not that she was, she was brilliant. That's came out wrong. She was brilliant, she just hated, she just the life wasn't her. And she realized what an amazing writing which she was, because she wrote this brilliant play that we both did it's two-hand to call their swimming, and that really helped me, you know.

Speaker 1:

It gave you a vehicle.

Speaker 3:

Swimming, yeah, and I consequently worked with her again on the play called inflame that we did at the bush in the West End. Yeah, so meeting Charlotte, you know, at drama school and she's a brilliant writer.

Speaker 3:

She's one of honestly, she's one of my favorite. Everything she writes is just fantastic. She's got a play coming out just the next year she's written for the Nationals. We're a play called humble boy. Anyway, Meeting her was great because so I met her at this. We both met at this strange drama school but thank God we did, you know, because we worked together and we had a theater company together.

Speaker 1:

Yes, so writers is definitely right, definitely yeah.

Speaker 3:

Inspiration number two young, creative people I'm inspired by. I've been lucky enough To be working, you know, last few jobs with some really young people and they just I Love that. I just I love, I love. I find them so interesting and they're so. They seem to be interested in me and I'm much older than them and and you know I look at my nieces who are all in the arts, that my niece is the opera singer and I've got another niece. He's a theater, an actor and a director. I've got another niece who's a singer and musician. She was at Bath, my niece Ella, she was studying music at Bath Spa and then I've got another niece who's working in in sort of wants to work in film and stuff. So I really admire them that they're all trying to kind of Get into this tough, tough world, because it is a tough world.

Speaker 1:

You know even more be, will do even more be will doing and.

Speaker 2:

I, you know.

Speaker 3:

And so I'm just always impressed by people who still want to to get into this creative business because it's tough.

Speaker 1:

So are you finding yourself being a bit of a mentor to them as well?

Speaker 3:

They look up to you, and I don't know if they do, but I Just, I, just, I do love being with young people. I do love it.

Speaker 1:

Lovely inspiration.

Speaker 3:

Yes and then number three and Probably gonna say just, you know a really really good film, really good theater, when you go to the theater and you just see something magical happen. You know, I recently saw Phaedra at the National and it was just mind-blowing. I don't know if any of you saw it, but director called Simon Is he called Simon Stone?

Speaker 1:

He could sign the Stevens signs. I didn't know that. I don't know anyway, brilliant.

Speaker 3:

So things like that. You watch and you just go. Oh my god, that's what I want. I want to work with him. I wanted, I want to work in that way, apparently. He takes all the actors down to the pub and listens to the way they speak and how they interact with each other, and then he forms the play.

Speaker 3:

Well, he was doing fair to it with Greek tragedy, but they modernized it and it was about. It was really brilliantly done. So she was like a successful woman but menopausal, and About her sort of getting this infatuation with this young guy which is the story of federal, but brilliant he don't. I really recommend it is on NT. You can watch it, nt at home, so things like that you know you get, you can't where, you just stuck to your seat in the theatre and you can't move, you can't breathe. That's.

Speaker 1:

It's quite rare to have that that is the thing it is right. Yeah, it is right. You can't magical. Yeah, yes, Absolutely yeah so now we.

Speaker 3:

Yes, that's free excellent. No, it's grabs.

Speaker 1:

Excellent value. Now it's time for the. What are the two squirrels that never fail to grant your attention? Oh, oh, there we go there. It works seamlessly have a squirrel. So what are your monsters scratching?

Speaker 3:

What are you all?

Speaker 1:

Sorry, I was gonna say this borrow from the film up.

Speaker 3:

Oh, yeah, yeah, love, love. I watch it many times with my son. You know, when you watch the endless, endless films you have to watch.

Speaker 3:

It's a great film, it's a real classic. Um bookshops, I love a bookshop, I think. You know I grew up, you know, in a house full of books and when my dad died he had so many books in the house and I remember thinking, oh God, how are we going to do with all these books, you know. But actually when I suddenly realised I really missed those books, I did keep quite a few. My sister was brilliant. She was very sort of ruthless at kind of going no, we're not going to just give them all away. But I do love books. I love the look of books, I love flicking through books. I love a bookshop. I love any bookshop, big bookshop. I love independent bookshops. I love Persephone bookshop and Bath love it because I love mid-century fiction by female writers. So that's kind of like Persephone books.

Speaker 1:

Was your dad collecting something specific or is it just a plethora?

Speaker 3:

Oh, he just had so many books?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, he had so many books, different things.

Speaker 3:

Yes, and the other one is Butterflies, because my dad was obsessed with butterflies as a child. He was terrible. He'd catch them and torch them and then pin them on the wall and frame them. Anyway, he did. At the age of ten he managed to sort of discover this very rare butterfly which he then caught and he bred.

Speaker 1:

Oh, he didn't stab this one.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, he didn't stab that one, no, he bred it and he was incredible and he was in the Times paper. He wrote he was ten, he'd written, he'd developed and it was called the Longtailed Blue so and he was always obsessed with sort of nature and butterflies and I've got a little butterfly wing around my neck in that little frame but so whenever I see a butterfly I always think that's him, because you know, they say signs. When people and we were celebrating I think it was my parents, it was something to do with dad's anniversary of him dying and my sister was staying and this little butterfly flew and sat on my arm, honestly, for ages. It was weird, you know, normally they just fly off which is sat there and it followed us and then it follows us into the room where my sister was sleeping and we just sat there. It's dad, dad's there.

Speaker 4:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

So now, whenever I see them, I go. That's dad.

Speaker 1:

That's lovely, and in Animal Medicine a butterfly, I think, is transformation.

Speaker 4:

Oh yes how brilliant.

Speaker 3:

That's interesting. I'm taking that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, have it.

Speaker 3:

I'm having it. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, wonderful squirrels for me say so.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, thank you Lovely. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1:

And I love the fact that your father wasn't all about carnage of butterflies.

Speaker 3:

No, no, it was a lot of that. I've still got some of his stabbed butterflies in the back. They're not going anywhere until you decide to go with them.

Speaker 1:

OK, so now we're on to a quirky or unusual fact about you, with the little little secedar. I do love your full name, by the way.

Speaker 3:

Yes, I know, it's such a ridiculously overly dramatic name, isn't it?

Speaker 4:

It's.

Speaker 3:

My sister's Mary Louise, my other sister's Anna Maria, my brother's Rowan, which is I like that. I'm Rosalyn Cecilia and my sister's Juliana Claire, I mean, but we've all been shortened Louisa, mia, rowan, rosie, julie, I mean. Anyway, that's beside the point. Yes, so this is my special quirky fact I can do a baby crying, ok.

Speaker 2:

RUGGLES, ruggles.

Speaker 3:

And then I can do a baby, like about to go on the boogal.

Speaker 4:

RUGGLES, ruggles.

Speaker 2:

RUGGLES.

Speaker 3:

Anyway, like that, applause oh, thank you, APPLAUSE. Very odd APPLAUSE. It's really just a bit of a wrap-up.

Speaker 1:

Can I just congratulate you. That is, I'm not lying, that is the most awesome quirky fact I've had to date.

Speaker 3:

It's so bizarre. Yeah, I love that. An actress taught me how to do that An actress called Pookey Cannell, do you?

Speaker 1:

know Pookey Cannell.

Speaker 3:

No, I don't she taught me how to do that. She said, she just said, she just taught me how to do it as a technique.

Speaker 1:

The only other Pookey I knew was at drama school with me and it was in Miss Saigon in the earlys and she was always very famous for lying on the floor and just farting all the time. Ruggles, she's big, big potatoes in the Far East now. Oh wow, I'm trying to remember where she was from, but she was quite an exotic creature but farted a lot.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I've ever farted.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I'll get back to you on that one.

Speaker 3:

Pookey Cannell doesn't fart a lot, don't you think? Yeah, yeah, lovely.

Speaker 1:

So now we've shaken your tree, hurrah, yes, yes. So now we're going to move away from the tree, and next we're talking about alchemy and gold. Please, you can hold it if you like, or just look at it. So alchemy and gold is when you're at purpose and in flow. Rosie, what are you absolutely happiest doing?

Speaker 3:

Well, I suppose it's that time between action and cut, because when you're filming there's a lot of hanging around and sometimes you'll just spend most of the day sort of waiting, and then you'll have that few seconds or minutes when the camera's rolling and you're doing the scene and that's probably the best bit. And then actually listening to what Neil was saying about it, I feel the same and actually just my son laughing, making my son laugh hysterically. You know it's great, lovely yeah.

Speaker 1:

Beautiful, and now I'm going to award you with a cake, please, oh yes, so you get to hold that one as well, and this is a final story telling metaphor where you get to put a cherry on the cake. First of all, we have to talk about whether you like cake.

Speaker 3:

So would you like cake? Of course I like cake.

Speaker 1:

I love cake. What cake are we going for?

Speaker 3:

Oh Well, I've been doing that Nigella, lemon and polenta lately, which is lovely, it's very easy. Yeah, why not that? Why not a Nigella lemon polenta?

Speaker 1:

Lovely, so the cake is yours. Now you get to put a cherry on the cake with the following questions what's a favourite inspirational quote that's always given you a sucker and go towards your future.

Speaker 3:

Well, there's sort of two really. One was my grandpa oh gosh, my, my, my uncle, who ended up being a Catholic priest. He was a brilliant, brilliant pianist and organist.

Speaker 1:

Realist and organist. Pianist and organist oh sorry, it's a heelist, oh no. Pianist and organist.

Speaker 3:

And he really wanted to be. His dream was to be a you know, a concert pianist.

Speaker 1:

Right yeah.

Speaker 3:

And my, my Lancasterian grandfather, who was a wholesale grocer but who basically sent all his children I don't know how he afforded it, but all sort of private schools and they, you know he wanted to be, you know, a concert pianist. And he said to my grandpa you know my and I remember the grandpa said to him it's the road to now. And when I told my Nana, I remember years ago I think, I want to be an actor, she went. Well, I was remember John saying it was the road to now and it was so kind of like, oh, I was so kind of slam, you know.

Speaker 4:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

And I remember my uncle. He didn't become a concert pianist, became a Catholic priest, but it was great because he used to make all the parishioners pay for this very expensive organ that he would put in the church. And then you do, you do lots of concerts, you know. So in his own way he performed.

Speaker 3:

Yes, but I remember thinking no, I don't think it's the road to now and I'm going to do it, but it is the road to now as well. I mean they were, they were right because it can be the road to now. And the other advice, great advice I had was my mother was at some. I think it was a British council, do you know, with people coming over it was the great late Peggy Ashcroft. I don't know if any of you remember her brilliant actress. She was in that passage to India.

Speaker 2:

Loads of stuff and brilliant theatre Jane.

Speaker 3:

Peggy.

Speaker 4:

Ashcroft.

Speaker 3:

And my mum sort of was sitting at a dinner with her and said you know, oh, my daughter, you know, she'd really like to go into acting If you've got any advice. And Peggy Ashcroft sighed and sort of went oh, does she, you know? And she went. Well, any advice as well? If it's absolutely the only thing she wants to do and there's nothing else, nothing else at all, then she must do it.

Speaker 4:

And I remember thinking oh that would be advice.

Speaker 3:

But you know, absolutely right.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and in another parallel universe. If you weren't an actress and thank you for being one what might you have done?

Speaker 3:

I just don't know. This is the awful thing.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I don't know.

Speaker 1:

Therefore he did so it was good that you pursued the Peggy Ashcraft for advice. What notes, help or advice might you offer to a younger version of yourself?

Speaker 3:

Confidence. I wish I'd read Neil Malachi's book. It is so much about confidence. I had a dream once where I bumped into myself on the street and I went ooh. And I told myself you've got to be more confident when you grow up. And I think you've got that. That was quite profound, because I remember what I've realised as I've got older is actually everyone's blagging, aren't they? We're all blagging.

Speaker 3:

Nobody has a clue what's going on, and I think I've only really just learnt that and I think I spent so many years worrying am I good enough? And it is just actually just basic. It's just confidence Walking into a room, don't show the chinks, just that's just key. And I wish I'd had more of it when I was younger, because I think I would have done a lot better.

Speaker 1:

And the irony is, even though we can tell our younger, self that we're still just swinging it and we haven't necessarily.

Speaker 2:

The nature of confidence is a funny old thing.

Speaker 4:

But, fantastic advice to a younger self.

Speaker 1:

Wonderful. So now we're ramping up to a bit of Shakespeare. But just before we get there, if I may pass the golden baton please. So keep hold of the baton. Thank you, you can blow down it as well if you want to. Oh, that was a bit better. I wonder what a baby sounds. Doing that, it sounded the same. Yes, I did the same. There's no difference. No, that was great. Thank you, tim. So pass the golden baton, please. Is to keep the golden thread of the storytelling going in this construct. An idea who would you most like to pass the golden baton on to?

Speaker 3:

Oh well, my great friend, ed Woodall, who was at University, managed to university as well with me and he did English, not drama, but we did plays.

Speaker 3:

And then he went off to study with Jacques Lecoq in Paris with Toby Jones actually and he was a brilliant actor for many years and worked with people like Simon McBurney and all sorts of brilliant people like that Emma Rice. But then he subsequently stopped acting for various reasons and he now is a Feldenkrais practitioner. I don't know if any of you know Feldenkrais, but it's an awareness through movement and you have to train to teach it. And in the pandemic he set it up on Zoom and did Zoom classes and it's really, really helped me in so many ways. He doesn't like to use the word pain, but it's helped me with a lot of my back pain and my and it's a very simple exercise and it's through small movements, so it's not about stretching or getting out of breath. I can't really explain it. Ed explains it brilliantly and I just think he'd be a fantastic person because he's such a varied life and what he does now.

Speaker 1:

And his surname is Woodle Woodle, Ed Woodle. Yes, I've definitely heard of him. I think he could be one of those distant Facebook friends.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, you probably might have met him through work. Yes, through mutual friends.

Speaker 1:

Wonderful Thank you for that Very generous and delighted to talk to you. So now, inspired by Shakespeare and all, the world has teetered all the better. Women bearded players and legacy. Now how, and all is said and done, rosie, would you most like to be remembered?

Speaker 3:

Don't really mind, just someone who is a good mate and someone you could talk to. That's good. Love me.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, this has been Rosie. Oh yes, oh yes, and extra bonus Chaser, you've come up with an actual Shakespeare quote.

Speaker 3:

Oh, I thought we had to do a Shakespeare quote no, I just thought we had to Speak the speech. I pray you as I have pronounced it to you trippingly on the tongue, and you can even do that slower if you like?

Speaker 1:

Yes, well, that.

Speaker 3:

You're not going to do it like that. I'm not going to do it like that, are you? Yeah, that one, Because it's the best note to an actor you know. Speak the speech. I pray you as I have pronounced it to you trippingly on the tongue. And that's the play of King from Hamlet.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's to Rosencrantz and Gilmaston before they do the play yeah, it's a great quote.

Speaker 3:

Oh yeah, I thought that's what we had to do. No, it's good, it's my homework.

Speaker 1:

So I know you're a bit internet shy, but where can we find out? I mean, obviously we can definitely go and watch the Power of Parker, which is on tonight.

Speaker 3:

Yes, that's on the bit I play and I don't really, I don't really have much information on this is quite good.

Speaker 1:

I came off.

Speaker 3:

Facebook, because I just get really angsty when the show's coming out. I think, oh, I don't want to read negative things, oh, so you are affected by reviews.

Speaker 1:

In that way are you Not really, but sometimes.

Speaker 3:

I once was in a show and then someone stopped me and said, well, I've put a post on. And then everyone and I want to go hello, I was in that.

Speaker 4:

And then they sort of stop, and then I think they forget halfway through.

Speaker 3:

that might be people who are People with feelings.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 3:

I am quite sensitive. I think all acts are very sensitive. All artists are sensitive, aren't they?

Speaker 4:

It's just you know, the way it is.

Speaker 1:

Yes, thank you for that as well. So nothing specific to talk about in terms of the internet. So now, as this has been your moment in the sunshine before we go into a bit of Q&A, is there anything else you'd like to say?

Speaker 3:

No, I don't think so. I like that. If that's enough, drop the mic. I think I've got all my questions.

Speaker 1:

Good night. So, ladies and gentlemen, now we're going to ask questions of Rosie, if you'd like to. So does any? What questions? By the way, if you ask what questions do you have, have you noticed that makes you think a bit harder than any questions? You go no, no, yes. So, rather than getting a binary response, listen to the impact of what questions do you have. Now you're working hard. Who's got a question? Yes, thank you.

Speaker 3:

Hi, you've done a lot of radio plays.

Speaker 2:

Yes, I think a little. I love radio, I think a lot of those and you're in them.

Speaker 3:

Which one which has been your best one. I love all radio. It's such a lovely medium. You don't have to learn your lines, you don't have to. And the mic is. You know the mic is so sensitive, you know it picks everything up, so you can really. I've really learned a lot actually through acting with. You know, in my acting through working on radio, I did a really lovely series of plays called when this Service Will Terminate, which was about I tried really hard.

Speaker 2:

That was funny, I really loved.

Speaker 4:

And another one called.

Speaker 3:

Lost Property, which was by someone called Katie Hins and Catherine Jakeways wrote, and I just recently did a Room With A View on the radio which I loved, yeah, so I love it, I love it, yeah they're great, thank you, lovely question.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. Anybody else with a question please?

Speaker 3:

Yes madam Would you like any of your youngsters to go on the stage? Um, no, but. But nowadays I kind of think, well, there's no job security in anything now. So I just think, well, why not just do it if that's what you want to do? Because I just think you know.

Speaker 1:

As Dane Pegger Ashcroft said, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

But it's such a hard, it's not an easyit's a really Sorry I can't speak. It's just a really tough business because you just get so much rejection and you'llI just feel like it never ends, like I'm in my 50s now and I still Still struggle. You know, I still have to do the audition, you know, and then I don't get the job. And then you know, and then it's like, oh, I'm not going to work again and it just never goes away, never go. But I think, even like the really famous success for that to say exactly the same.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that never ends, yeah, never ends A spinning vortex of rejection. Yeah, exactly. Does anybody else have any questions? Yes, thank you, hi, rosie, it's really lovely to listen to you actually, and it followed on from that question because you talked about rejection. Yeah, rejections always just around the corner, yeah.

Speaker 3:

How do you? Pick yourself up from that Sometimes it is so hard.

Speaker 3:

I did a job last year where I think it really got to me. I was up for this job and I had to go up, go in, and it was one of those things where you had to open a vein, you know. So, like in the audition, you got to give them everything you know and then they come up. Well, you come back again, you know, you think, oh God, right in, you go open another vein, do it with more people, and then the waiting. And then, oh no, we're now seeing a load of other actresses for the role. And oh, but you're in the last three it's between you and two others and I thought, oh my God, I can't deal with this. And also it was weird being back in the room because you know, with COVID and everything, suddenly everything was just on Zoom. So it was nice to be back in the room. Anyway, I didn't get the job and it did take me a bit of a while to sort of bounce back from that one. And there is that perpetual horror in the acting role.

Speaker 1:

You're on a pencil. Yeah, you want to think why the fuck can't you use a marker?

Speaker 3:

I remember crying to my agent on the phone. I was thinking, oh my God, I didn't want to be this person. I was probably going. Oh, he was slightly thinking oh God, but he said what's really affected you? I said yes, it has. Like, as I said, it's just hard.

Speaker 1:

The other point is you're on a pencil. Oh, they've gone the other way.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh God, that one, yeah, yeah, no, it is really hard, it just doesn't go away. But then when you do get a good job, you can just start and, you know exactly, make the most of it Anymore, for it.

Speaker 1:

Oh the lovely. Oh, this one here. Yes, thank you. I'm coming up the back there in a moment. Oh, off you go.

Speaker 2:

A couple of weeks ago there was a lot of fluff in the press with the ministers saying that we should only concentrate degrees on subjects where people get jobs. Now, clearly, from what you've said, and the previous speaker and him and everybody else I know who's involved in the acting profession, there aren't any. So, what would you say to the culture minister, particularly to justify the fact that drama courses and other similar degrees should continue to be funded?

Speaker 3:

Well, because they're interesting and they're fun and they're and everybody should. It terrifies me that, you know, at my son's school they do one show a year, but it's like for the whole school. It's not like this year is doing. You know, year 10 is going to do this play, or it's the whole school, that's it. They do drama and they can do drama due to CSE, but it's pretty. You know, at my school I did so many plays, I was doing plays all the time and it worries me that when he was at primary school he didn't do any drama. I mean, they didn't have anything, they didn't even go to the theatre. But I absolutely believe that we have to encourage our young people to do the arts. I mean, it's just, it's brilliant. That's why Thank you.

Speaker 3:

Fine the question, give it back to you, thank you.

Speaker 1:

Just a question about we've heard a lot tonight with both speakers tonight about self-confidence and developing self-confidence. How do you stop it becoming arrogance?

Speaker 3:

Well, I think you just always have to check. You know you always have to keep a check on yourself. You can usually bring you down to earth somebody you love, someone who's close to you. You can just go shut up, you know, stop it. But I just I'd hate to become really arrogant like that. Those sort of actors there aren't many of them are there, chris.

Speaker 1:

No, most people are totally decent, more than other human beings. But there's always 1%.

Speaker 3:

There's a dick, but they're very, very rare. They're very rare.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

They are very rare, so I can't bear arrogant actors. There aren't many of them, though.

Speaker 1:

Wonderful. So thank you very much, and also thank you very much indeed for tuning in on Facebook and YouTube as well. Thank you for being there and you've been absolutely lovely. Just a quick announcement. I'll just flick through and show you Squirrels. We love squirrels. There they are, there's always squirrels. The website for the show is thegoodlisteningtouchowcom. If you'd like to be my guest too, I do have a look at the very series strands as to how you can do that. There's even a series strand within the programme which is called Legacy Life Reflections, where you can gift the construct of this, where I'll interview someone near or close to you to record their story for posterity. So if that is one of the series strands as an example you can have a look at, so have a look at the Good Listing Touchow. But sincerely thank you to my wonderful, gorgeous guest, rosie Cavaliereau. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1:

And finally, a sincere thank you to me, as I said at the beginning, for not going on holiday or going to Womad Hurrah. So I've been. Chris Grimes, you've been wonderful, thank you. There'll be the outro music and then we'll finally drop the mic and thank you for staying for such a late and sumptuous evening.

Speaker 3:

Thank you so much. Thank you for coming to me after me.

Speaker 1:

Roll credits for the theme to be. We've been listening to the Good Listing Touchow here on UK Health Radio with me, chris Grimes oh, it's my son.

Speaker 3:

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Speaker 1:

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